MH: You've entered into valued-based drug-pricing contracts. Do you see that growing?
Hanlon: We do. Pharmacy
in general, we've got to
figure out how to deal with it, as a healthcare system.
So I do expect that will continue.
MH: Can you name a specific disease that you might target, or a drug?
Hanlon: I don't want to name a specific one because there are a few that we're working on right now within our pharmacy group. It's the criteria that you'd expect: the highest-cost items where you're not sure of efficacy and if you're going to pay for it, you better get the outcome that was supposed to have been delivered.
Allegheny Health Network just joined Civica Rx. We're trying to do more through Allegheny Health Network on that side as well. Certainly the shortages are a part of it, but the cost is, too.
MH: What will joining Civica mean for you?
Hanlon: Allegheny Health Network will be one of the founding members. There will be input into what generics should be considered for rollout within Civica.
MH: Do you feel like issues with UPMC have created an image problem with patients or members?
Hanlon: In Western Pennsylvania, because it's a very local issue. Once you move outside of Western Pennsylvania people don't talk about it so much.
It's just something we have to balance because our businesses go well beyond Western Pennsylvania. In that part of the state, I think consumers have been hearing about it for six years. They are ready for this next stage and to not have to be hearing about the end of the contract between two parties. And we're ready to go.
For us, that's really kind of in the rearview mirror. We've built up Allegheny Health Network and it has been competing effectively. We're seeing the results that we want to see. They have refreshed assets, they have new assets. We're ready for it to compete.
MH: How does being an integrated system position you to address the trends in consumerism?
Hanlon: When you think about the real delivery of care and the data around it and the insights and improving care through the data—whether it's a video visit or an in-person visit—I don't think there's anything that differentiates us just because we're an integrated system. But we've dealt with the payment mechanism of it.
From a consumer standpoint, what we're talking about is making care as accessible as possible, as high-quality as possible, and at an affordable cost. On accessibility, the video visits are huge.
MH: Lastly, one of the things that seems to happen at the J.P. Morgan conference is that people are almost using it like a recruiting event. Do you view it that way?
Hanlon: I don't. But as I say that, I'm transitioning from the CFO role to the COO role, and I can't fully transition until I replace myself.
MH: So you don't have a specific effective date?
Hanlon: Right. We've been recruiting. The announcement was made in July and I've been doing a little bit of both jobs, but we need to recruit a CFO. I have actually had a number of discussions since I've been here (at the J.P. Morgan conference) about, “Hey, we're looking for somebody,” and people have given me names, they're sending me emails, so I laugh and say, “No it's not recruiting,” but it has been a little bit for me.
On the clinical side, and we see it at Allegheny, the systems that declare their commitment to quality, their commitment to the patient, their commitment being clinician-led … have physicians who want to come work there because they feel that it's an environment where their opinions are going to be heard, that they're going to be valued, their ideas will be embraced. It does make a difference.