Modern Healthcare: The International Monetary Fund, which plays a substantial role in your book, is continuing to admit that its austerity plans may have hurt more than helped in places like Greece. How does that admission make you feel and, more importantly, what should that spur the IMF to do moving forward?
Dr. Sanjay Basu: Indeed, the IMF has reversed course quite a bit not only in Greece, but in the past during the Asian crisis we saw the same thing with the IMF initially recommending austerity and then came out and gave a formal apology because the austerity created both a worse economic outcome and a worse public health outcome. From a public health perspective, what we really need to do right now is preserve safety nets for people. We have had a massive natural experiment where different countries have gone through the same recession but either underwent austerity or stimulus, and the austerity countries have done very badly in terms of public health. But there is some room for hope in preserving safety nets right now, and people are very vulnerable.
MH: How much would you say this entire story is about the weak and the powerless not having the political clout to defy these austerity measures, which are often based on political and economic ideology?
Basu: It's a profound and sad recurring theme in the policy's experiment. The fact of the matter is that everyone agrees the banking system and bank-based decisions created the current recession. And yet, public budgets, particularly those that support the weakest and most vulnerable, are being cut in the name of having bailed out the banks and also in being able to really try to reduce short-term deficits, although it doesn't seem to work over the longer term.
MH: Some of your book actually sounds a bit naïve in that you argue that politics should not be ideological, but driven by data. Is a shift like this really feasible?
Basu: I think many times in history we encounter really remarkable ideologies that seem to fly in the face of data. And my responsibility as an academic is to put the peer-reviewed data out there and hope for the best in the sense that I believe strongly in democracy and informed democracy. And we do see change in the face of data even despite some pretty remarkable politics, and U.S. history is fairly optimistic in that regard.
MH: Similarly, you argue that preventive medicine pays off in the long run economically, but people have known that in this country for years and it is still not a priority.
Basu: It took a very long time for us to get even the Affordable Care Act, and we will see how well it does as it is implemented in the coming years. But certainly, while progress is slow, I do see that we have made great strides in healthcare, and the quality improvement movement has done quite a bit to make our hospitals safer. Our public health movement has done quite a bit in order to improve our continuingly improving food supply, and I do feel like we are making some progress in these regards.